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Thread: Problem getting Exchange 2000 to see AD 2003 GC

  1. #1
    BeFree Guest

    Problem getting Exchange 2000 to see AD 2003 GC

    We are trying to decide the best way to upgrade our AD 2000 & Exchange 2000
    domain to 2003. I can't upgrade the AD servers because they're off the HCL,
    so I want to replace them with newly built Windows 2003 servers, dcpromo'd
    into the tree (after the prerequisite adprep and mangle prevention tasks
    ....). We're working all of this out in the testlab first. For the full
    story and proposed migration plan, see
    http://x220.win2ktest.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=13776

    The problem is we can't seem to get Exchange 2000 to work after doing that.
    It can not see the newly created Windows 2003 AD as a Global Catalog. It
    does appear to actually be a GC, repadmin /showreps says IS_GC, and it's
    listed in DNS as a GC as well. But in Exchange System Manager on the
    Directory Access tab it does not recognize the 2003 server automatically. If
    we set it to manual and force it to that new server, the message stores don't
    mount and it complains that there is no GC. All the Microsoft literature
    I've read says that Exchange 2000 will work just fine with AD 2003, but they
    usually are talking about an upgrade path.

    When we ran through the scenario of doing it as an upgrade after DCPROMO,
    the 2003 server does work just fine with Exchange. Only when it's a clean
    build of Windows 2003 fresh (which is what I'd prefer for many reasons) does
    it cause Exchange grief.

    Can anyone confirm that this should work, promoting a Windows 2003 server
    and using it as a GC for Exchange 2000? Or will I need to keep a Windows
    2000 GC available until Exchange 2003 has replaced Exchange 2000 completely
    in our environment ?

  2. #2
    Tony Murray Guest
    The DC/GC may not be properly synchronized. You can check by connecting to
    RootDSE (using LDP.EXE) and looking for the IsSynchronized flag. Another
    good option would to use wind up the diagnostics logging on DSAccess, as
    explained in the following article.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316300

    Tony
    www.activedir.org

    "BeFree" <BeFree@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:59D550F8-414E-426E-96A5-93485BAF4F29@microsoft.com...
    We are trying to decide the best way to upgrade our AD 2000 & Exchange
    2000
    domain to 2003. I can't upgrade the AD servers because they're off the
    HCL,
    so I want to replace them with newly built Windows 2003 servers, dcpromo'd
    into the tree (after the prerequisite adprep and mangle prevention tasks
    ...). We're working all of this out in the testlab first. For the full
    story and proposed migration plan, see
    http://x220.win2ktest.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=13776

    The problem is we can't seem to get Exchange 2000 to work after doing
    that.
    It can not see the newly created Windows 2003 AD as a Global Catalog. It
    does appear to actually be a GC, repadmin /showreps says IS_GC, and it's
    listed in DNS as a GC as well. But in Exchange System Manager on the
    Directory Access tab it does not recognize the 2003 server automatically.
    If
    we set it to manual and force it to that new server, the message stores
    don't
    mount and it complains that there is no GC. All the Microsoft literature
    I've read says that Exchange 2000 will work just fine with AD 2003, but
    they
    usually are talking about an upgrade path.

    When we ran through the scenario of doing it as an upgrade after DCPROMO,
    the 2003 server does work just fine with Exchange. Only when it's a clean
    build of Windows 2003 fresh (which is what I'd prefer for many reasons)
    does
    it cause Exchange grief.

    Can anyone confirm that this should work, promoting a Windows 2003 server
    and using it as a GC for Exchange 2000? Or will I need to keep a Windows
    2000 GC available until Exchange 2003 has replaced Exchange 2000
    completely
    in our environment ?

  3. #3
    BeFree Guest
    Excellent idea. We turned on the logging as described, and the email server
    does see it as a GC, but still under the Directory Access tab it never shows
    up. We tried with two different servers running Windows 2003, one with SP1
    and another without. They both show the 1 in the Global Catalog bit, DC5 is
    2K3 SP1 & DC4 is 2K3 without SP1. DC2 and YVE are not reachable, they're
    from the production network and this is the testlab network. I do see from
    this that the 2K3 servers do not get the SACL right - I am going to go check
    the default domain controller security policy and make sure that Enterprise
    Exchange servers has the right to manage the event logs (correct ?)

    Next week we are going to bring in another Windows 2000 server and then
    upgrade it to 2K3 and see that it works. The first time we did that test it
    worked just fine, it's just the new clean build of 2K3 that's giving us the
    issue.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 12:14:40 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process MAD.EXE (PID=1140). DSAccess has discovered the following servers
    with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0





    For more information, click http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 5:33:11 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process INETINFO.EXE (PID=1060). DSAccess has discovered the following
    servers with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc4.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Tony Murray" wrote:

    The DC/GC may not be properly synchronized. You can check by connecting to
    RootDSE (using LDP.EXE) and looking for the IsSynchronized flag. Another
    good option would to use wind up the diagnostics logging on DSAccess, as
    explained in the following article.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316300

    Tony
    www.activedir.org

    "BeFree" <BeFree@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:59D550F8-414E-426E-96A5-93485BAF4F29@microsoft.com...
    We are trying to decide the best way to upgrade our AD 2000 & Exchange
    2000
    domain to 2003. I can't upgrade the AD servers because they're off the
    HCL,
    so I want to replace them with newly built Windows 2003 servers, dcpromo'd
    into the tree (after the prerequisite adprep and mangle prevention tasks
    ...). We're working all of this out in the testlab first. For the full
    story and proposed migration plan, see
    http://x220.win2ktest.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=13776

    The problem is we can't seem to get Exchange 2000 to work after doing
    that.
    It can not see the newly created Windows 2003 AD as a Global Catalog. It
    does appear to actually be a GC, repadmin /showreps says IS_GC, and it's
    listed in DNS as a GC as well. But in Exchange System Manager on the
    Directory Access tab it does not recognize the 2003 server automatically.
    If
    we set it to manual and force it to that new server, the message stores
    don't
    mount and it complains that there is no GC. All the Microsoft literature
    I've read says that Exchange 2000 will work just fine with AD 2003, but
    they
    usually are talking about an upgrade path.

    When we ran through the scenario of doing it as an upgrade after DCPROMO,
    the 2003 server does work just fine with Exchange. Only when it's a clean
    build of Windows 2003 fresh (which is what I'd prefer for many reasons)
    does
    it cause Exchange grief.

    Can anyone confirm that this should work, promoting a Windows 2003 server
    and using it as a GC for Exchange 2000? Or will I need to keep a Windows
    2000 GC available until Exchange 2003 has replaced Exchange 2000
    completely
    in our environment ?



  4. #4
    BeFree Guest
    Confirmation that under the Default Domain Security Policy, Enterprise
    Exchange Servers is listed under Manage Auditing and Security Log. Any idea
    how to get the SACL bit to be 'happy' on Windows 2003 AD?
    __________________________________________

    "BeFree" wrote:

    Excellent idea. We turned on the logging as described, and the email server
    does see it as a GC, but still under the Directory Access tab it never shows
    up. We tried with two different servers running Windows 2003, one with SP1
    and another without. They both show the 1 in the Global Catalog bit, DC5 is
    2K3 SP1 & DC4 is 2K3 without SP1. DC2 and YVE are not reachable, they're
    from the production network and this is the testlab network. I do see from
    this that the 2K3 servers do not get the SACL right - I am going to go check
    the default domain controller security policy and make sure that Enterprise
    Exchange servers has the right to manage the event logs (correct ?)

    Next week we are going to bring in another Windows 2000 server and then
    upgrade it to 2K3 and see that it works. The first time we did that test it
    worked just fine, it's just the new clean build of 2K3 that's giving us the
    issue.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 12:14:40 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process MAD.EXE (PID=1140). DSAccess has discovered the following servers
    with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0





    For more information, click http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 5:33:11 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process INETINFO.EXE (PID=1060). DSAccess has discovered the following
    servers with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc4.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Tony Murray" wrote:

    The DC/GC may not be properly synchronized. You can check by connecting to
    RootDSE (using LDP.EXE) and looking for the IsSynchronized flag. Another
    good option would to use wind up the diagnostics logging on DSAccess, as
    explained in the following article.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316300

    Tony
    www.activedir.org

    "BeFree" <BeFree@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:59D550F8-414E-426E-96A5-93485BAF4F29@microsoft.com...
    We are trying to decide the best way to upgrade our AD 2000 & Exchange
    2000
    domain to 2003. I can't upgrade the AD servers because they're off the
    HCL,
    so I want to replace them with newly built Windows 2003 servers, dcpromo'd
    into the tree (after the prerequisite adprep and mangle prevention tasks
    ...). We're working all of this out in the testlab first. For the full
    story and proposed migration plan, see
    http://x220.win2ktest.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=13776

    The problem is we can't seem to get Exchange 2000 to work after doing
    that.
    It can not see the newly created Windows 2003 AD as a Global Catalog. It
    does appear to actually be a GC, repadmin /showreps says IS_GC, and it's
    listed in DNS as a GC as well. But in Exchange System Manager on the
    Directory Access tab it does not recognize the 2003 server automatically.
    If
    we set it to manual and force it to that new server, the message stores
    don't
    mount and it complains that there is no GC. All the Microsoft literature
    I've read says that Exchange 2000 will work just fine with AD 2003, but
    they
    usually are talking about an upgrade path.

    When we ran through the scenario of doing it as an upgrade after DCPROMO,
    the 2003 server does work just fine with Exchange. Only when it's a clean
    build of Windows 2003 fresh (which is what I'd prefer for many reasons)
    does
    it cause Exchange grief.

    Can anyone confirm that this should work, promoting a Windows 2003 server
    and using it as a GC for Exchange 2000? Or will I need to keep a Windows
    2000 GC available until Exchange 2003 has replaced Exchange 2000
    completely
    in our environment ?



  5. #5
    Tony Murray Guest
    It sounds like you're on the right track with investigating the SACL right.
    What method did you use to check the right? I believe that the old
    policytest.exe has been replaced by the polcheck part of OrgPrepCheck. Have
    a look at the following article.

    http://support.microsoft.com/default...oduct=exch2003

    I believe RUS is responsible for propagating the right, so it might also be
    good to check to see that RUS is working properly.

    Tony
    www.activedir.org

    "BeFree" <BeFree@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:D5814FD6-213B-4B38-BC51-E69D112E9A3E@microsoft.com...
    Confirmation that under the Default Domain Security Policy, Enterprise
    Exchange Servers is listed under Manage Auditing and Security Log. Any
    idea
    how to get the SACL bit to be 'happy' on Windows 2003 AD?
    __________________________________________

    "BeFree" wrote:

    Excellent idea. We turned on the logging as described, and the email
    server
    does see it as a GC, but still under the Directory Access tab it never
    shows
    up. We tried with two different servers running Windows 2003, one with
    SP1
    and another without. They both show the 1 in the Global Catalog bit, DC5
    is
    2K3 SP1 & DC4 is 2K3 without SP1. DC2 and YVE are not reachable, they're
    from the production network and this is the testlab network. I do see
    from
    this that the 2K3 servers do not get the SACL right - I am going to go
    check
    the default domain controller security policy and make sure that
    Enterprise
    Exchange servers has the right to manage the event logs (correct ?)

    Next week we are going to bring in another Windows 2000 server and then
    upgrade it to 2K3 and see that it works. The first time we did that test
    it
    worked just fine, it's just the new clean build of 2K3 that's giving us
    the
    issue.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 12:14:40 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process MAD.EXE (PID=1140). DSAccess has discovered the following servers
    with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0





    For more information, click http://www.microsoft.com/contentredirect.asp.

    Event Type: Information

    Event Source: MSExchangeDSAccess

    Event Category: Topology

    Event ID: 2080

    Date: 5/20/2005

    Time: 5:33:11 PM

    User: N/A

    Computer: CI-MAIL3

    Description:

    Process INETINFO.EXE (PID=1060). DSAccess has discovered the following
    servers with the following characteristics:

    (Server name | Roles | Reachability | Synchronized | GC capable | PDC |
    SACL right | Critical Data | Netlogon)

    In-site:

    CI-DC5.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    ci-dc3.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc1.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 1 1 7

    ci-dc2.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ci-dc4.CI.conservation.org CDG 7 7 1 0 0 1 7

    Out-of-site:

    ci-dcyve.CI.conservation.org CDG 0 0 1 0 0 0 0

    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Tony Murray" wrote:

    The DC/GC may not be properly synchronized. You can check by
    connecting to
    RootDSE (using LDP.EXE) and looking for the IsSynchronized flag.
    Another
    good option would to use wind up the diagnostics logging on DSAccess,
    as
    explained in the following article.

    http://support.microsoft.com/kb/316300

    Tony
    www.activedir.org

    "BeFree" <BeFree@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
    news:59D550F8-414E-426E-96A5-93485BAF4F29@microsoft.com...
    We are trying to decide the best way to upgrade our AD 2000 &
    Exchange
    2000
    domain to 2003. I can't upgrade the AD servers because they're off
    the
    HCL,
    so I want to replace them with newly built Windows 2003 servers,
    dcpromo'd
    into the tree (after the prerequisite adprep and mangle prevention
    tasks
    ...). We're working all of this out in the testlab first. For the
    full
    story and proposed migration plan, see
    http://x220.win2ktest.com/forum/topi...TOPIC_ID=13776

    The problem is we can't seem to get Exchange 2000 to work after doing
    that.
    It can not see the newly created Windows 2003 AD as a Global Catalog.
    It
    does appear to actually be a GC, repadmin /showreps says IS_GC, and
    it's
    listed in DNS as a GC as well. But in Exchange System Manager on the
    Directory Access tab it does not recognize the 2003 server
    automatically.
    If
    we set it to manual and force it to that new server, the message
    stores
    don't
    mount and it complains that there is no GC. All the Microsoft
    literature
    I've read says that Exchange 2000 will work just fine with AD 2003,
    but
    they
    usually are talking about an upgrade path.

    When we ran through the scenario of doing it as an upgrade after
    DCPROMO,
    the 2003 server does work just fine with Exchange. Only when it's a
    clean
    build of Windows 2003 fresh (which is what I'd prefer for many
    reasons)
    does
    it cause Exchange grief.

    Can anyone confirm that this should work, promoting a Windows 2003
    server
    and using it as a GC for Exchange 2000? Or will I need to keep a
    Windows
    2000 GC available until Exchange 2003 has replaced Exchange 2000
    completely
    in our environment ?



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